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     Justus2 Intermediate Member Username: Justus2 Post Number: 149 Registered: 03-2008 Rating: N/A |
The husband and I are doing great. He's having to stay home alone now that I am working full time. He's a bit lonesome, I suppose. He manages to stay busy watering my plants and roses, mowing and raking to clean up the place. We are just entering late spring here, so the really beautiful weather has been a welcomed treat. We've managed to get some good rain and all the plant growth looks lush and thick. Alee, how are all your roses doing now? My roses look terrible at this time due to blackspot. I just do not have time to spray as I can barely keep up with all the other stuff I have going on. Talk more later....gotta get to bed! | ||
| Dmaivn Senior Member Username: Dmaivn Post Number: 2983 Registered: 07-2003  Rating: N/A |
A man in Belgium asked me to make a budding tool for him to bud avocados. I finally found time to do it for him. After this Spring in the Northern Hemisphere he will give me photos of his trial. So there will be no roses, but plenty of avocados. | ||
| Rosemeadow Senior Member Username: Rosemeadow Post Number: 621 Registered: 01-2008 Rating: N/A |
Thanks Alee, now I have just got to plant them out and make sure they are well watered all through next Spring and Summer. Which will be a challeng as I have ordered some grafted and own root roses from a few nurseries as well. | ||
| Alee Intermediate Member Username: Alee Post Number: 177 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
Congratulations Karen!! Justus, How are you and how's your husband. | ||
| Rosemeadow Senior Member Username: Rosemeadow Post Number: 620 Registered: 01-2008 Rating: N/A |
Thanks Justus, its great to be talking with you again. I didn't get around to making a list of my Summer own roots today, but I will tomorrow. Also some photos. You reminded me how I was really wanting so much to probagate in Summer, and now I have ! Now its time to start almost on the Winter cuttings. Thankyou for your great propagating tip. My Kindest regards, from Karen. | ||
| Justus2 Intermediate Member Username: Justus2 Post Number: 148 Registered: 03-2008 Rating: N/A |
Rosemeadow, Yeahhhhh! It is thrilling to see your success rate has grown. I am glad you have found something that works for you. I have a high percentage rate when I use method. I do have failures at times, but it always seem to be certain varieties that fail which leads me to think that it isn't the method that fails but the difficulty with that variety. Congratulations, I will wait for your pics and will be so proud for you. | ||
| Rosemeadow Senior Member Username: Rosemeadow Post Number: 619 Registered: 01-2008 Rating: N/A |
Hi Meryl, I have had alot of sucess and alot of failures. Tomorrow I will do a count and a list of names of the ones that have taken. Also some photos. I tipped a couple of Souvenir de Mme Leonie Viennot out and washed the sand off and they had a heap of healthy strong roots. I did what Justus 2 said to do and it worked really well. Then before the school holidays come around I took all the bottles off as I reckoned it was time they all hardened off. My partner watered them for me while I visited my parents with my girls. We had a fantastic time down on the coast for a week. | ||
| Meryl Senior Member Username: Meryl Post Number: 971 Registered: 02-2004 Rating: N/A |
I have had zero success with the bottle method. No matter how fractionally I lift the bottom of the bottle to start exposure to the outside air (which is actually inside air and has never been lower at the time than 18 degrees C or higher than 24) the new leaf growth starts to wilt within an hour. And a few goes of this weakens the new growth terminally. Have taken the bottles off those cuttings which are still green, leafless by now and have yet to shoot. In this mode have had some successes in the past so I have my fingers crossed. How are you others with summer cuttings going? | ||
| Dmaivn Senior Member Username: Dmaivn Post Number: 2971 Registered: 07-2003 Rating: N/A |
It all depends on the rose. Try something like Vesper and hope you get 5%-10% strike rate. In fact I have never been able to get a soft-wood cutting to strike for Vesper. I only managed to get a few hardwood cuttings to strike over winter. I think if you have an ideal set up with true misting (microscopic mist) and cool temperature and bright light, you may get higher rate. But then the hardening process may kill off a lot. Then down the track, only a percentage will become commercially viable plants (big size within 1-2 years). There have been talk about some nurseries going own-root in the US. They must have worked out a way to get higher rate. My last look at what on offered, most of the own-root roses were not HTs. | ||
| Rosemeadow Senior Member Username: Rosemeadow Post Number: 613 Registered: 01-2008 Rating: N/A |
Royal Highness grows very well from cuttings, they are my largest and oldest own root Hybred Teas. I better get some more bottles and start using the lids instead, thanks Justus. Will also recover if its likely to be windy. Thanks. It certainly is rewarding having adult own root roses in your garden ! | ||
| Rosemeadow Senior Member Username: Rosemeadow Post Number: 612 Registered: 01-2008 Rating: N/A |
I look forward to comming back and reading this as soon as I have more power, I have only skimed over some of it as I should be off now but it looks all real intersesting. | ||
| Justus2 Intermediate Member Username: Justus2 Post Number: 146 Registered: 03-2008 Rating: N/A |
Dao you said: "With HT, you are lucky to get 50% then you lose a lot as they don't become commercially acceptable plants later." I have not found the 50% rule to be true when striking HT's. I cannot speak for the commercial side of the business, but even with my crude methods at home, I get about 80% strikes. Let me tell each one of you a little secret: HT cuttings do take about 1-2 years to get established. A little slow, but let me assure you, with normal care, they become robust plants and perform wonderfully at about 3 years of age. Again, not being a commercial entity, I am patient enough to wait for the prize of a nice own root rose, and I might add, in spite of the negative comments, it IS well worth the wait. Those in the business of striking roses, have neither the time nor money to wait out the 'bulking' up of the growing cutting. It would not be profitable to do so. The shorter the time from striking to market is of the utmost importance. No so, with the home gardener. Have patience my dears....have patience....you will be rewarded in due time!! | ||
| Roseman Senior Member Username: Roseman Post Number: 444 Registered: 05-2004  Rating: N/A |
Doa, on Wednesday read Roseman, with mini roses, it's like weed. You don't have to do anything to get 80% success rate. I only ever use sand box. You get good rate with old roses too. The smaller the bush the better. With HT, you are lucky to get 50% then you lose a lot as they don't become commercially acceptable plants later Previously you said this Karen, you are not thinking about making a living out of this, aren't you? The last picture I saw about rooting own-root roses was that they put thousands of young cuttings with leaves into a sand bed and set up a misting device over it. The bed is sheltered from wind by clear plastic. They get something like 30%-40% strike rate over 4 weeks. Then they quickly pot them up and harden them slowly into the full Sun. If you have misting bed, it's best to do it when the climate is warm to hot and the leaves are healthy (free from blackspot). Roses would only strike at 30%-40% rate so doing thousands at a time is required for making a living. Many of them won't even become viable plants. Dao, has not your percentages not changed. Next time your Flora International, if that is their current name take this email and get them to read it and reply about percent of strike for "HTs' I believe they will put you in your place. If I get a chance I will post 2 pic's one of bridle pink and Clb Peace, both cuttings. Regards David. | ||
| Dmaivn Senior Member Username: Dmaivn Post Number: 2969 Registered: 07-2003 Rating: N/A |
Roseman, with mini roses, it's like weed. You don't have to do anything to get 80% success rate. I only ever use sand box. You get good rate with old roses too. The smaller the bush the better. With HT, you are lucky to get 50% then you lose a lot as they don't become commercially acceptable plants later. | ||
| Meryl Senior Member Username: Meryl Post Number: 953 Registered: 02-2004 Rating: N/A |
Thanks, folks. Justus2, I've been using bottles neck upwards, like you. At the outset, I didn't know what other people did about the bottle cap, so I screwed it into place in some cases and left it off in others. There was no noticeable difference in outcomes, so now I leave the cap off from the start. Going on your comments, I think the light breeze must have done the damage to my new shoot, so next time I will try taking the bottle off indoors. That solves the numbers problem too, Tasv. | ||
| Justus2 Intermediate Member Username: Justus2 Post Number: 145 Registered: 03-2008 Rating: N/A |
I might add this: I do keep my bottled cuttings in a shaded area with the brightest light possible. They may get soft dappled sun in the early morning, but no sun from that point on. The worst thing that can be done is to allow wind to blow on them just after taking the covers off. Total dessication is the result! | ||
| Tasv Member Username: Tasv Post Number: 92 Registered: 08-2008 Rating: N/A |
Meryl, I've been talking to Daivd (Roseman) about hardening off as well because I find this the hardest part of growing spring/summer rose cuttings. I'm still trying to work out the best way to do it too and am still losing quite a few... I've got them inside the house now where they get no direct sun... seems to be working for the moment but that's only with two pots. Can't keep bringing all these pots inside now ... When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem starts looking like a nail... | ||
| Justus2 Intermediate Member Username: Justus2 Post Number: 144 Registered: 03-2008 Rating: N/A |
Meryl, I cut the bottom part of my bottle off instead of the top like Rosemeadow does. Leave the cap on it while it is rooting. When you detect that it has rooted, then loosen the cap until it is almost unscrewed. Leave like this for a few days, then completely unscrew cap and just leave it cocked sideways on the bottle threads for a couple of days, then completely remove cap for a day or two then remove bottle at that time. If you prefer to cut the top off as Rosemeadow has done, then when sufficient top growth and rooting has taken place, simply lift one side of the bottle and place a small stick or rock under it to allow air circulation, again in degrees until fully hardened off. This has always worked nicely for me. | ||
| Roseman Senior Member Username: Roseman Post Number: 441 Registered: 05-2004 Rating: N/A |
Tasv, have just finished reading that article, fantastic. Not sure where you find them,but keep them coming. | ||
| Meryl Senior Member Username: Meryl Post Number: 950 Registered: 02-2004 Rating: N/A |
Karen, I have been doing much the same thing as you, though on a much smaller scale, but I need some advice on how to get the struck cuttings through removal from the soft-drink greenhouse. In the past, I have often lost them when trying to harden them off. And just the other day, I almost lost - it may turn out that I have lost - one that was going well. It had been in its mini-greenhouse for about five weeks and was shooting nicely, so I took the bottle off about 10 am. The pot was in the shade, it was a mild day (max about 24C) and there was only the lightest of breezes. When I came back about 3 pm, the new shoot had withered. The rose still has the two mature leaves it began with (rather black-spotted now) and is back in its greenhouse. I am hoping that it will shoot again but I am bewildered about how to deal with the transition to the open air. | ||
| Tasv Member Username: Tasv Post Number: 91 Registered: 08-2008 Rating: N/A |
It depends on the variety too... some are really hard to strike and others strike like weeds. 'Armadis' formed roots here in 4 weeks, but others have taken a LOT longer. A lot of minis were specifically selected for easy striking by breeders like Ralph Moore because he preferred own-root roses. It also depends how they are made. Dao, I would recommend you read this as very much higher % are possible with most roses: http://www.rdrop.com/~paul/moore_cuttings.html This article discusses both minis and non-minis. I think a very good living could be made by making own-root roses from cuttings with enough planning. As far as viability goes... I think viability was not the right word to choose... vigorous maybe... a lot of own root roses will not be as vigorous and will be smaller... but still perfectly viable and worthy garden subjects... just not pushed along by a rampant root stock. When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem starts looking like a nail... | ||
| Roseman Senior Member Username: Roseman Post Number: 440 Registered: 05-2004 Rating: N/A |
Dao, your percentages are wrong. When I was at the rose nursery we had a "professional propagator" of plants, that was her living. Yes we had a propagating bench. She only did cuttings of mini roses. HER success rate was not below 93% or better. | ||
| Dmaivn Senior Member Username: Dmaivn Post Number: 2967 Registered: 07-2003 Rating: N/A |
Karen, you are not thinking about making a living out of this, aren't you? The last picture I saw about rooting own-root roses was that they put thousands of young cuttings with leaves into a sand bed and set up a misting device over it. The bed is sheltered from wind by clear plastic. They get something like 30%-40% strike rate over 4 weeks. Then they quickly pot them up and harden them slowly into the full Sun. If you have misting bed, it's best to do it when the climate is warm to hot and the leaves are healthy (free from blackspot). Roses would only strike at 30%-40% rate so doing thousands at a time is required for making a living. Many of them won't even become viable plants. | ||
| Justus2 Intermediate Member Username: Justus2 Post Number: 143 Registered: 03-2008 Rating: N/A |
Sorry, didn't mean to imply that I was striking roses at this time. We are still in winter here. Spring is just around the corner though. 70 degrees for tomorrow(Friday), and Saturday rain and possible tornadoes, and Sunday a low pressure coming in with possible snow!! How's that for a weather system? Anyway, when I strike roses, I do my set up just like yours, which I will be starting very soon. My roses are trying to flush now with the few warm days creeping in. I noticed this afternoon that a couple had not made it through the winter. I lost 'Signature'. That was one I got on my rose buying trip last summer. Do you have any 'Double Knockout" roses? They are a sight for sore eyes. Tons of blooms, very little or no BS and quick to repeat bloom. They bloom from the first hint of spring and ususally stop when the wintry blasts hit them, a good nine months of the year they are in bloom. The only thing bad I can say about them is that the blooms have no fragrance! Cheers! | ||
| Rosemeadow Senior Member Username: Rosemeadow Post Number: 609 Registered: 01-2008 Rating: N/A |
Hi Justus2, thats a lol from me too ! Its great being able to grow roses year round now. What roses are striking for you ? | ||
| Justus2 Intermediate Member Username: Justus2 Post Number: 142 Registered: 03-2008 Rating: N/A |
oh my goodness....your cuttings looks like mine with all the soda bottles turned up on them. What a small world it is....lol! | ||
| Rosemeadow Senior Member Username: Rosemeadow Post Number: 606 Registered: 01-2008 Rating: N/A |
Here are some photos of my experiment with doing cuttingsin Summer. So far it has had very good results, although ofcourse some failing.    |
