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     Dmaivn Senior Member Username: Dmaivn Post Number: 3030 Registered: 07-2003  Rating: N/A |
I think you will soon find that it does not really matter if you use two rose types or one, eventually only one graft union will be strong. The others eventually die out after a few years or become very scrawny. This happens quicker if you use different rose types. the stronger rose will take over. I find the best way is to keep only the best graft after they all start growing strongly. This allows it to form a round shape crown and the plant will be balanced. This is the most important issue in creating good standards. Commercial growers tend to graft 2-3 buds to get plenty of leaves quickly so that they can sell within 12-18 months. If they keep only 1 graft the plant won't be sale-able before 24 months. That's why you don't see these better standards on the market. You only see them as the really expensive weepers which require a perfect round crown union. A side issue is that small to medium rootstocks tend to be better as they allow to rose to form a round graft union around the rootstock quicker. That produces stronger graft unions. Good standards and weepers are produced from long thin rootstocks. | ||
| Raman_rrs New member Username: Raman_rrs Post Number: 3 Registered: 07-2009 Rating: N/A |
Hi, I have successfully created a two longstem rose(48 cm) by stenting. It took nearly 3 weeks to strike the root by simply putting rootstock in water and grafting was done before rooting. On one stalk I grafted at 2 places and other stalk 3 places. All came successful. I have used the same colors on each root stalk. My question to rose growing expert is in anyway if I would have taken 2 different colors on same rootstalk any one color taking dominancy. | ||
| Brownthumbs Intermediate Member Username: Brownthumbs Post Number: 141 Registered: 01-2008 Rating: N/A |
My first advice is understand that the whole thing is a "process" if you don't get one bit of the process right then the rest is irrelevant. Learn how and when to take your cuttings and how to get them to strike...every time....stick with multi flora or dr huey for now. Ozeboy..your seccy's are the vector with mosaic...in my opinion I have not seen a plant (even virus indexed) from any grower that has not got mosaic in it...mind you...I haven't seen them all. Fortunianna is amongst the worst of the lot and is why I never touched it. Best of luck Danny...learn what the rose is telling you. | ||
| Ozeboy Senior Member Username: Ozeboy Post Number: 545 Registered: 03-2007 Rating: N/A |
Will have to wait until it seeds as I won't use it in it's current health. The Multiflora and Dr.Huey in the same area is growing well. Can't see why Multiflora won't make 6' standards if handled well | ||
| Dmaivn Senior Member Username: Dmaivn Post Number: 3020 Registered: 07-2003 Rating: N/A |
Ozeboy, it is odd about that Canina. If it was from the cutting I gave you, it is very odd. A guy got it for me from a river bank in Queensland. It was a massive bush in the wild which would be from a seed. Anyway the mosaic virus would not affect its health. This strain of Canina will grow to become a giant bush with stems over 3m. So there might be some other reason why it is not doing well. When it has seeds, you can throw the seeds around to get some seedlings which will be free of virus. | ||
| Ozeboy Senior Member Username: Ozeboy Post Number: 544 Registered: 03-2007 Rating: N/A |
Sorry to mention the Canina has Mosaic Virus and is struggling, would not pass it onto anyone. The Fortuniana is growing very well and is extremely healthy, could help with cuttings of this plant. | ||
| Dmaivn Senior Member Username: Dmaivn Post Number: 2998 Registered: 07-2003 Rating: N/A |
BTW, have a look at the biggest tree rose I created http://roseexchange.biz/roseexchange/general-pics/popup.html?http://roseexchange .biz/roseexchange/general-pics/10029.jpg You will find the info on many issues about propagation on this site. They have been discussed long ago so people don't want to go over again. | ||
| Dmaivn Senior Member Username: Dmaivn Post Number: 2996 Registered: 07-2003 Rating: N/A |
Welcome to this addicted game! I think you should try to read as many posts on this board as possible. You will find almost all the answers about propagation that you need to get started right to quite advanced levels. I also have the rose propagation guide for home gardener right here that will tell you much about the game. Then you can ask people on this site for rootstocks. I suggest multiflora to start with as it's easy and most popular. Then you may like to try Canina, Dr Huey, Fortuniana and Maneti. The most popular ones are Multiflora and Dr Huey. They are easy to work on and produce roses that are suitable for most soil types. To get rootstock, you can ask people on this site or just cut off a rose below the graft union. It will regenerate as rootstock. You may not get precisely what you want but most of the time you get Multiflora and Dr Huey as these are most popular. Ozeboy on this site has also Canina and Fortuniana. For making giant weepers, I suggest Canina however the reason why they have such tall canes is because they fertilise the rootstock well several months before winter, prune it back and next spring they get huge shoots coming from the ground. These could reach 3m in height (Dr Huey and Canina). Multiflora generally can produce shoots up to 2.3m. | ||
| Dannypritchett01 New member Username: Dannypritchett01 Post Number: 3 Registered: 09-2009 Rating: N/A |
I am looking for some rootstocks to grow. I am interested in Dr. Huey, Multiflora, and any other commonly used rootstock. I just need to know which it is. It would be great if its already growing roots. If not I will try to root it even though my success isnt always too good. I am wanting to grow some in the yard to use for practice plants as a new rose grower and propogator. I have many roses I wanna graft and play around with til I get good enough to make some for trades. Also quick question for the pros. I have a long cane growing off of a rose I had planted that the graft died on. Its about a 1/4 inch thick and its about 10 feet tall. Any idea what it is. Its just one cane growing off the side under neath the graft. Its not as thick as tree roses stocks should be. What root stocks are tree roses made onto? The ones I bought were about a inch thick and 36" tall. They were de-eyed if you can explain how to do that. How long will it take to grow a tree rose root stock stem about 36-60 inches tall and an inch thick. Let me know. Thanks. |
